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[HardBall]

But no man, you cant proove God exists

you're right about that.

I can see a God through magnificent things on the nature

Only if you close your eyes to all the horror in that same nature. Just as with the bible and with all of "creation" you are being very selective in what you see.

I'm not a specialist in the bible, I cant explain each metaphor you bring to me

Don't you think you should be? If you are going to follow a faith that is based on a book, wouldn't you need to be an expert on that book before agreeing to follow the same?

Weird things happened next to me, these things came from an orthodox priest using the name of Jesus, so I started to see the things another way

That is a stupid argument. Wierd things happened? That's how people started sacrificing blood because they couldn't explain solar eclipses. The fact that "weird things happen" is a reason to look for an answer; it is not a reason to accept just any answer given without reason or proof.

Seeking the truth is a smart way to live and I admire your wisdom.

You are not "seekihn the truth". You stopped doing that when you "accepted the myth".

[IngMonkey]

china is a communist country, their news is edited along with their internet, so whatever the chinese government don't want their citizens to know, they probably will not find out.

I know news in china are not trustful. What i mean is you should fly there by plane and check that communism out in real life, not watch CCTV. The main difference is that here you can go against your goverment, put politicians on court, protest against them publicly, In china you can't. In EU you can, even if you will not get anything by that most of the times. Here in europe, you can't do so many other things, so strict regulations everywhere, lot of permissions for all stupid small things, bureaucracy as hell. In china, you can do basically whatever you want, if you don't go against goverment. Nobody in china cares so much about what the law says. Here in europe, everybody cares so much about following rules, principles, tradition and so on, even if they are dated and stupid.

You can have a good life in every system, also in communist country if you are not stupid or trying to be hero like that folks on tianman square. If you was never in China (or Lybia before these revolutions), you have no idea about how the real life is in those countries. Ofcourse what happened there is sad, but people who went to streats and in front of tanks knew they risk their life doing so. It was their choice to be a hero. The same as it was choice of Che Guevara to risk his life and die in Bolivia.

I don't think we should force other cultures and nations to adapt our principles in society, culture and economy, how U.S. and France are doing. Its just ignorant. There is lot of evidence about facilitating reasons for the US wars and true intentions keep to be hidden behind curtains. Its our choice what we believe in. I have chosen from my experience and knowledge to believe, that true intentions behind these wars are economic, Hardball chose to believe they are principal. He thinks i don't know what i am talking about, i think the same about him. Its life, what can i do

Edited by IngMonkey, 17 April 2011 - 05:50 PM.

[IngMonkey]

seriously you don't think you may have a distorted one sided view?

Ofcourse man, i have one sided view, you also have. But i would not call it distorted. Please don't be ignorant and try to accept there are people who just don't think same way as you. I am sorry to inform you, that its not because they are stupid and you are the smart one.

Then I guess you're part of the problem ej... lol

I think i just take advantage of the situation, i am not the guy who decides about US wars. I am just a guy who is trying to live well with his family. I will not jeopardize my economical situation just for the feeling that i 'did right not to support evil'. Anyway if i didn't do it, somebody else would. What is the point then ? People behind those companies are probably also not the ones who decide this.

Edited by IngMonkey, 17 April 2011 - 05:45 PM.

[HardBall]

Anyway if i didn't do it, somebody else would.

WORST argument EVER!

I'm sure haliburton executives say the same thing when they lay their heads down at night.

My guess? You're actually feeling guilty of profiteering and are therefore over-critical of everybody else. One thing is for sure, you do not have a balanced or complete view and your arguments are thin at best. Like I said in the beginning though not worth my time to go into any further depth. Instead I'll just invite you to gather more info on the other side to get more balance and nuance in your world view.

Edited by HardBall, 17 April 2011 - 05:54 PM.

[IngMonkey]

WORST argument EVER!

I'm sure haliburton executives say the same thing when they lay their heads down at night.

My guess? You're actually feeling guilty of profiteering and are therefore over-critical of everybody else. One thing is for sure, you do not have a balanced or complete view and your arguments are thin at best. Like I said in the beginning though not worth my time to go into any further depth. Instead I'll just invite you to gather more info on the other side to get more balance and nuance in your world view.

I guess its still better to have 'thin' arguments, than to have no arguments at all. I presented arguments and my views, you didn't present anything else, just arrogance and self-centered personality. I just don't understand why you have need to post so many replies when you basically don't have any argument to present. If you want to call my arguments thin, please present stronger arguments than mine. Otherwise don't post, because your contribution holds no value, and you are just embarassing yourself. The number of posts i see close to your name makes me believe you are one of those bored internet pranks, who don't have anything else to do, than just fight pointless fights on internet forums. I guess its still better to present something, than just judging what others have to present. Everybody knows how to critisize, its not an art. Therefore i believe there is no purpose to continue discussion with you, since it holds no value for me and others on the forum. I will now give you a chance to have your last word.

[HardBall]

I guess its still better to have 'thin' arguments, than to have no arguments at all. I presented arguments and my views, you didn't present anything else, just arrogance and self-centered personality. I just don't understand why you have need to post so many replies when you basically don't have any argument to present. If you want to call my arguments thin, please present stronger arguments than mine. Otherwise don't post, because your contribution holds no value, and you are just embarassing yourself. The number of posts i see close to your name makes me believe you are one of those bored internet pranks, who don't have anything else to do, than just fight pointless fights on internet forums. I guess its still better to present something, than just judging what others have to present. Everybody knows how to critisize, its not an art. Therefore i believe there is no purpose to continue discussion with you, since it holds no value for me and others on the forum. I will now give you a chance to have your last word.

I have already posted stronger arguments. 1) In Haiti and Yugoslavia, the US military involved in freeing people from oppression, did so without any financial reward. 2) If they don't attack strong nations it is because they want to avoid all-out WW3 with china, Russia or the pan Arabic collection of states.

Also, the wars in Iraq and Kuwait were justified under international law and were performed to oppose a dangerous dictator and protect a sovereign nation respectively.

You have brought NOTHING to the table you nitwit. You don't even have arguments. You only have a collection of baseless complaints.

The US is the largest donor of intentional aid in the world. Look that up on wikipedia you puts. You'll need to because for some reason you have no significant resident knowledge.

The fact they have been plagued by a religious nutcase for a president for 8 years didn't do their reputation any good, I'll give you that, and during the awful reign, of that born-again cristian fanatic, a lot of opportunities were lost to help the 3rd world with family planning and get a real energy policy on the table, but that is not a structural American flaw, that is a human religious flaw.

Your conspiracy theories about wars for profit are stupid and baseless. The financials of all the wars are a matter of public record and all the expenses are available from the archives of the American senate. Do the bookkeeping and you'll see how many dollars were lost in all wars ever. Not to mention the loss of American life.

Get a clue, get a life, and get a job that you can be proud of and not one that you need to defend with "If I don't do it, someone else will"

Edited by HardBall, 17 April 2011 - 07:22 PM.

[SoBe0wns]

Hardball, you have issues man. You don't have the ability to engage strangers on an internet forum in a discussion without resorting to flames, namecalling, etc. Grow up.

[HardBall]

Hardball, you have issues man. You don't have the ability to engage strangers on an internet forum in a discussion without resorting to flames, namecalling, etc. Grow up.

While you on the other hand make an excellent point and only address the issue... L O L

[SoBe0wns]

While you on the other hand make an excellent point and only address the issue... L O L

I, and others, did adress the issues we are discussing. But you are unable to have any kind of intelligent conversation with anyone that has a perspective which differs from yours.

[HardBall]

I, and others, did adress the issues we are discussing. But you are unable to have any kind of intelligent conversation with anyone that has a perspective which differs from yours.

O'rly??

Where exactly did you join the conversation, and where exactly did it become apparent that we disagreed.

Oh, and where, pray-tell, is your contribution to this "intelligent conversation" you speak of?

All i seem to see is you crashing, trolling and flaming random topics that i post in... Feel free to prove that perception wrong by contributing intelligently to the topics at hand.