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#1 Sustanon

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Posted 22 February 2016 - 12:41 PM

Why am I even getting matched on this map when both players have the maps patch?

 

Bottom has so much more money on his disposal to spend on apocs+desos, not to mention he can build down the cliff.

 

I played a lot better yet I stood absolutely no chance: http://xwis.net/ra2/games/13455/

 

Why doesn't everyone disable this map and enable the Fixed version? This is just sad.

 

 

You can't win on this map from top unless your name is Latof.

 

 



#2 Mikoz

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Posted 22 February 2016 - 12:50 PM

I dont have the idea the enable and disable options are working properly.

 

Ive matched many times on maps, both me and my enemy had disabled. 



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Posted 22 February 2016 - 01:15 PM

what u mean u played a lot better? u built more tanks and still lost



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Posted 22 February 2016 - 01:28 PM

what u mean u played a lot better? u built more tanks and still lost

 

Rhino Tanks are half the price of apocs, bro. There was a point where I couldn't afford to make any more apocs, I had to sell battle lab.

 

I deso'd his whole rhino army and he had the money to repair them all.



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Posted 22 February 2016 - 02:19 PM

i'd suggest selling warfs instead of tech and make a drone here : http://xwis.net/ra2/screenshots/8561254/

I
 personally don't like country swing from either side, but this maps unbalance defnitely isnt topic worthy imo.


Edited by DrVanNostrand, 22 February 2016 - 02:21 PM.


#6 rumblesom

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Posted 22 February 2016 - 02:26 PM

bottom has 3000 extra gold on stock version.



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Posted 22 February 2016 - 02:33 PM

i'd suggest selling warfs instead of tech and make a drone here : [url=http://xwis.net/ra2/screenshots/8561254/]http://xwis.net/ra2/screenshots/8561254/

What was coming out of my War Factory was probably a Drone. :p I did eat up all his Desos in the middle with a Drone once.
 

bottom has 3000 extra gold on stock version.

It's way more than 3000. I'd estimate at least 15000 - 20000.

I'm just going to quit the next time in QM when I'm top on Country Swing (non-fixed version) and everyone will be happy. :) Because it's a waste of time to even try to win a decent player from top.

Edited by Sustanon, 22 February 2016 - 02:34 PM.


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Posted 22 February 2016 - 02:42 PM

It was something like 10k indeed. 

 

Also better position for small gem fields. In long games bottom miners will survive more easy.

 

Not to mention bottom plays better on almost any map/situation due to more map control / refeneries who can be placed better. 

( after i wrote this, what map actually prefers a top spot ? i cant think of any one ) 

 

If maps were remade they should give top spots the slight edge moneywise. 



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Posted 22 February 2016 - 02:49 PM

Not to mention bottom plays better on almost any map/situation due to more map control / refeneries who can be placed better. 
( after i wrote this, what map actually prefers a top spot ? i cant think of any one )

I agree brother. The exception to the rule is Lake Blitzen TR. :rizla:
 
Other than that being top is a disadvantage on any map with refineries facing the wrong way and paradrop/nuke coming in faster.  :D  MayDay and LBL having huge advantages for bottom.

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Posted 22 February 2016 - 02:56 PM

3k. I know, I fixed the map

 

*3.4k

 

Original update topic, first post

 

Country Swing stock version ore patches



#11 Sustanon

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Posted 22 February 2016 - 03:06 PM

Rumblesom, how did you "precisely" measure it?

Do you want me to measure it, disprove you and post proof with which you can accurately measure it yourself? :p

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Posted 22 February 2016 - 03:12 PM

i recorded the total amount of money, then deleted entirely 1 ore patch and measured the difference. Then i reloaded the map and did this for each ore patch.

 

hf



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Posted 22 February 2016 - 10:06 PM

Remove Isle of War already!!! The map is so bad and unfair

#14 Sustanon

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Posted 22 February 2016 - 10:15 PM

Remove Isle of War already!!! The map is so bad and unfair

I agree: http://xwis.net/forums/index.php/topic/182773-poll-remove-isle-of-war-from-qm/

Feels bad, man.

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Posted 22 February 2016 - 11:22 PM

Remove Sustanon from this forum please :D



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Posted 23 February 2016 - 05:41 AM

Bottom's advantage isn't just slightly more ore, but the fact they are mined more efficiently and there is significantly easier access to both gems + easier fortification.



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Posted 23 February 2016 - 09:26 AM

Those problems are outside the scope of a classic (grandfathered) map repair.

With additional gold added to T (fixed version) I think the map is within the 'classic' parameters for acceptable balance.

Refineries facing backward to the ore is a fairly common problem (many situations, maps) depending how you build you should have no reason to have your second refinery entrance any worse than beside it's gold

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Posted 23 February 2016 - 03:54 PM

Those problems are outside the scope of a classic (grandfathered) map repair.

With additional gold added to T (fixed version) I think the map is within the 'classic' parameters for acceptable balance.

Refineries facing backward to the ore is a fairly common problem (many situations, maps) depending how you build you should have no reason to have your second refinery entrance any worse than beside it's gold

 

I agree, but I also am not sure I believe the difference in gold is only 3k.



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Posted 23 February 2016 - 04:08 PM

Did you read how I calculated it? If you believe that method is valid, I invite you to verify my calculations. Of course it is possible I made a mistake, however I believe I was sufficiently diligent in being accurate, I was surprised too.

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Posted 23 February 2016 - 05:22 PM

Did you read how I calculated it? If you believe that method is valid, I invite you to verify my calculations. Of course it is possible I made a mistake, however I believe I was sufficiently diligent in being accurate, I was surprised too.

 

Yes.




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