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[adi518]

I'm just puzzled about this. BF tanks can be so annoying, besides being a little slow it has no disadvantages...it shoots from far distance and forces you to attack your opponent. Most annoying thing is the fact that, until your tanks actually get to it, it's all wasted. Please help out on what strategy to take when trying to beat a player with 4-5 BF tanks!

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Thanks!

Edited by adi518, 07 September 2010 - 12:52 AM.

[merman6]

If you are soviets without iron curtain, quit.

If you are Yuri, make alot of masterminds. This will give them a taste of their own medicine.

Allies who use battle fortress alot are called battle fortress ****.

Battle fortress are cheats.

[warhero99]

Beating BF with Soviets... hmmm...

If you have the Iron Curtain in play you will be able to accomplish that much more easily.

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If you are soviets without iron curtain, quit.

I think he knew about that one.

One of the things you need is good tank control. Essentially you need to be able to get your rhino tanks surrounding the BF from the sides rather than following behind, then close in for the kill. Be prepared to endure heavy casualties. Depending on the tactical situation, if possible, you can try to split your tanks (if you have enough of them) so the BF's have nowhere to run, so that wherever they move your tanks are waiting to crush them. You can also involve fodder in the form of dogs and conscripts, though this will be of little use if the BF has a SEAL or Tanya in it. Another option is to mass choppers and deploy them where needed, you will need a large number though, and some sort of fodder to defend from hit and run attacks. Using choppers is particularly effective if you camp and can build and rebuild a sentry gun in front of them to distract the BF fire.

Ultimately, once BF's are in play, and if your opponent can use them skillfully, your odds as a soviets player take a serious beating without Superweapons. So the best you can do is try and don't allow your opponent to tech up. But if he does, just give it all you got and fight until the end.

[warhero99]

P.S If you are in a team game and have an ally who is playing as Allies, he should use rockies as fodder against the BF while ground forces attack it. (Only works with GGI BF.)

Edited by warhero99, 07 September 2010 - 08:17 AM.

[adi518]

Great answers! Thanks a lot!

[warhero99]

Anytime.

[PostNextOlaf]

Timing is key. If you see him moving his bf towards your tanks for attack try to charge it (5 rhinos should be enough if done correctly) before he starts to run away with it. And always click beyond the bf, do not target it.

[AaSoVGoD]

'merman6', on 07 Sept 2010 - 03:14, said:

If you are soviets without iron curtain, quit.

If you are Yuri, make alot of masterminds. This will give them a taste of their own medicine.

Allies who use battle fortress alot are called battle fortress ****.

Battle fortress are cheats.

Soviet without IC harass the allied player before he can get BF with a few desos and rhinos.

As YR: not really a lot of masterminds, a smart allied will have mirages and your mm's wil get owned. it's not a good idea to spam so many against allied. If allied makes more than 1-2 Bf's against yr thats a bad tactic, they're expensive and not really useful for offense. So if you're yr just stick to 1-3 mm's and mags/gats/disks if they're pressin your base make a bunker because that forces a bf to shoot it.

[truefeel]

'AaSoVGoD', on 14 Sept 2010 - 06:09, said:

Soviet without IC harass the allied player before he can get BF with a few desos and rhinos.

As YR: not really a lot of masterminds, a smart allied will have mirages and your mm's wil get owned. it's not a good idea to spam so many against allied. If allied makes more than 1-2 Bf's against yr thats a bad tactic, they're expensive and not really useful for offense. So if you're yr just stick to 1-3 mm's and mags/gats/disks if they're pressin your base make a bunker because that forces a bf to shoot it.

He asked about countering BF as soviets, not as yuri's.

Somebody mentioned it here before: good tank control is key. The problem is of course it'll never be only BFs in normal matches. It'll be mirage tanks and a few BFs, making things a bit more complicated. Against pro's go for the fact that they'll probably put in a seal in the BF, so when countering mirages (which indeed is not countering BFs but is part of the problem) with desolators you need to time a placed deso perfectly to get it out of range of the BF, yet also in range to get alot of mirages in the deploy radius. Getting rid of the mirages makes it much more easier to clean up the BFs. Always try to attack from 2 directions whenever possible. Chasing BFs can be a costly thing so a frontal charge is only advisable when you are close. "sandwhiching" the BF inbetween 2 layers of rhino means the BF can't run and so giving it far less time to do damage.

Edited by truefeel, 28 September 2010 - 04:22 PM.

[truefeel]

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If you are good enough, and feel theneed for a challenge. You can try the great tactic of V3 / Siege / Rhino and Conscripts. This requires you to have all your forces in one spot with your V3's at the back shooting near the BF's and your siege deployed in front of them and then your Rhino in front of that, with your Conscripts in front acting as fodder. The point is to lure the BF's and take damage from the Siege. If they come closer to attack / kill the Siege Helicopters, charge with Rhino and Conscripts. With the V3 rockets taking much of the damage, you should get them. This works best when you're camping at the front of his base, at a choke point or at your own base.

I dont think that would be such a good idea; the problem is that you then lack mobility and could leave you open on your flank. BFs also can take quite a beating and allied players can just as well repair it in no time with IFVs. So the BF can just do hit 'n run, take some damage, retreat 'n repair and do the whole cycle again. Also: most allieds do put a seal in one of their BFs so using fodder is not recommended.

The thing is that when you want to take down BFs, it has be fast. Either before there are BFs or when the allied player has BFs making sure the BFs can't run far. No soviet player wants to destroy one single GGI BF and realise he lost 10 tanks in the process.

[truefeel]

'Ra2owns', on 29 Sept 2010 - 14:09, said:

Try it.

I think I would fail miserably on it. It's not my style at all. I'm more the mobility person .

[MiamiStyle]

if your oponion has 4-5 bfs at the endgameyou lost.
the key is as sov pressure at early and midgame.
deso him, kill miners and you dont get 4-5 bfs.
dont let a or yuri time, at mid-endgame they have the better units.

[adi518]

Thanks for yet, some more great comments. I've come a long way now...playings lots and lots of ra2 on tunngle lately...rush seems like best solution, however it hardly applies to more than 2 players games. While attacking one player, another is taking advantage of that thus, getting stronger and getting all the extra buildings done + of course making some BFs, so basically rush isn't gonna help for that. One thing I picked up from recent replies is someone who pointed out using the spy plane as fodder which is a darn good idea and easy to apply, so I shall try that within my next matches. I'll keep checking the forum once in a while...I knew that this would drag some attention as surmounting BFs as soviet is quite a challenge.

[chopperman]

first off u can beat bfs with rhinos.. bfs are slow if he has the time and eco to pump out 4-5 bfs u should have an overwhelming amount of rhinos by that time... in open maps its a no brainer u just draw the bfs in kinda close and than click past the bfs and drive past them make sure your holding alt button down also so when u kill a bf u squish them... now in maps that are close quarters or have narrow openings for example the map east vs best comes to mind... on there as sovs i use many diff strats u can take like 3-4 choppers and click on a bf and than run rhinos after the bfs, bfs always auto lock fire on air units, so they will kill ur chops really fast but it will buy u alot of goos drive time to catch up to the bfs to limit the amount of fire your rhinos will endure giving a better opertunity to take out the bf's... also use the v-3 as i stated before bfs auto draw to air and with v-3 u have an unlimited supply of air cover since they regenerate new missles... this works really well in stale mates massing v-3's vs allied is hard for them to stop because there anti air isnt like sove with splash damage... ... also u can mass deploy choppers and since they out range bfs... now they can repair their bfs and do hit and runs yes but if u switch from rhinos to apocs with the mass chopper deploy than when they come for the hit and run cntrl shift ur apocs towards the bfs and their 1 double shot should finish a bf that got dammaged by your chopps.... (i have seen kireeek use this method with much success) if u want some help using sovs to fight certain units come on yuri and page me in lobby and i can give u some tips on how to defeat certain combos using sovs... the more u get used to playing yuris revenge u will find out that sovs is the way to go, especially with supers... the iron curtain is the most over powered thing in the game, with a 5 min time clock it can be pretty ridiculous trying to fight someone who knows how to use it properly.... hope this helps u fight the good fight for the sovs

[AaSoVGoD]

'chopperman', on 19 Dec 2010 - 01:41, said:

first off u can beat bfs with rhinos.. bfs are slow if he has the time and eco to pump out 4-5 bfs u should have an overwhelming amount of rhinos by that time... in open maps its a no brainer u just draw the bfs in kinda close and than click past the bfs and drive past them make sure your holding alt button down also so when u kill a bf u squish them...

Rhinos can beat a bf, but when the allied has mirages its not so easy. Good allied usually don't make more than 1-2 BF max at a time and always have mirage. As soviet a build should be adjusted so that enough rhinos and desos are prepared to harass before the allied has built a bf. As a qm player it's either you rush the allied (which doesnt always work), attack before they got a bf and weaken the allied with Rhino + a few deso in flack, or just play it for the long game and use desos in flacks/ ic

'chopperman', on 19 Dec 2010 - 01:41, said:

now in maps that are close quarters or have narrow openings for example the map east vs best comes to mind... on there as sovs i use many diff strats u can take like 3-4 choppers and click on a bf and than run rhinos after the bfs, bfs always auto lock fire on air units, so they will kill ur chops really fast but it will buy u alot of goos drive time to catch up to the bfs to limit the amount of fire your rhinos will endure giving a better opertunity to take out the bf's... also use the v-3 as i stated before bfs auto draw to air and with v-3 u have an unlimited supply of air cover since they regenerate new missles... this works really well in stale mates massing v-3's vs allied is hard for them to stop because there anti air isnt like sove with splash damage... ... also u can mass deploy choppers and since they out range bfs... now they can repair their bfs and do hit and runs yes but if u switch from rhinos to apocs with the mass chopper deploy than when they come for the hit and run cntrl shift ur apocs towards the bfs and their 1 double shot should finish a bf that got dammaged by your chopps.... (i have seen kireeek use this method with much success)

kireek has used that tactic on a regular map like in a 1v1 we had and it did not work. Unfortunately this tactic is impractical and can't be used very often with success unless its a cliff map like sedona pass where its possible to camp with choppers on cliffs. Since a good allied pressures early its not easy getting that many seige and apocs to make a difference. Apocs are expensive even with industrial plant and if you build both apoc & seige the allieds going to outtank.

'chopperman', on 19 Dec 2010 - 01:41, said:

if u want some help using sovs to fight certain units come on yuri and page me in lobby and i can give u some tips on how to defeat certain combos using sovs... the more u get used to playing yuris revenge u will find out that sovs is the way to go, especially with supers... the iron curtain is the most over powered thing in the game, with a 5 min time clock it can be pretty ridiculous trying to fight someone who knows how to use it properly.... hope this helps u fight the good fight for the sovs

sovs are the easiest side to use, and one of their strongest weapons against allied is the iron curtain. I wouldn't say the iron curtain is overpowered, it's just cheap at times and allied could just use seals make it even. Overall, the balance between sovs and allies on yr is equal. I have played with all the best allies and seen them dominate the best sovs, if not every game it went back and forth. Being an allied playa myself, I never complained about the IC. If you have a tight build, micro/macro and know how to use seals sovs can be dealt with despite how frustrating it can be at times.

Edited by AaSoVGoD, 19 December 2010 - 04:26 AM.

[chopperman]

'AaSoVGoD', on 19 Dec 2010 - 04:19, said:

Rhinos can beat a bf, but when the allied has mirages its not so easy. Good allied usually don't make more than 1-2 BF max at a time and always have mirage. As soviet a build should be adjusted so that enough rhinos and desos are prepared to harass before the allied has built a bf. As a qm player it's either you rush the allied (which doesnt always work), attack before they got a bf and weaken the allied with Rhino + a few deso in flack, or just play it for the long game and use desos in flacks/ ic

sovs are the easiest side to use, and one of their strongest weapons against allied is the iron curtain. I wouldn't say the iron curtain is overpowered, it's just cheap at times and allied could just use seals make it even. Overall, the balance between sovs and allies on yr is equal. I have played with all the best allies and seen them dominate the best sovs, if not every game it went back and forth. Being an allied playa myself, I never complained about the IC. If you have a tight build, micro/macro and know how to use seals sovs can be dealt with despite how frustrating it can be at times.

first off he didnt say anything about mirages... so stop trying to sound smart, he is just talking about 4-5 bfs....

second u havent played the best and done anything, i am the best sov player and i own your yuri your allied your sov, when i play with iron curtain u have no shot at winning (unless you suprise me with a engi or seal to mcv(sht happens)) , i dont care what your macro/micro is as allied, and the sov iron curtain is Overpowered and i have proven it many times i can win a game with just 1 ic, and especially since i put the ic up first, its gg...


this topic is discussing how to beat 4-5 or more bf's stay on topic stop going astray with mirage, every person knows if mirage are around u gonna have desos u noob, u left this game cause you were banned and you are a cheating noob, everyone here hates your guts because everytime u play someone u glitch their miners so u get an advantage, your a piece of scum and you abuse glitches because u cant compete on the level of everyone else... GOOD day loser i will no longer adress any of your posts...

[DylHole]

^ map hacker

[chopperman]

'DylHole', on 19 Dec 2010 - 11:21, said:

^ map hacker

[DylHole]

nooo i dont, you map

ive put plenty of input into this topic about how to kill a bf but admins deleted it because they are mean

[AaSoVGoD]

'chopperman', on 19 Dec 2010 - 10:49, said:

first off he didnt say anything about mirages... so stop trying to sound smart, he is just talking about 4-5 bfs....

second u havent played the best and done anything, i am the best sov player and i own your yuri your allied your sov, when i play with iron curtain u have no shot at winning (unless you suprise me with a engi or seal to mcv(sht happens)) , i dont care what your macro/micro is as allied, and the sov iron curtain is Overpowered and i have proven it many times i can win a game with just 1 ic, and especially since i put the ic up first, its gg...


this topic is discussing how to beat 4-5 or more bf's stay on topic stop going astray with mirage, every person knows if mirage are around u gonna have desos u noob, u left this game cause you were banned and you are a cheating noob, everyone here hates your guts because everytime u play someone u glitch their miners so u get an advantage, your a piece of scum and you abuse glitches because u cant compete on the level of everyone else... GOOD day loser i will no longer adress any of your posts...

You the best sov player? You can't be the best when you aren't even good. You are a poor third-rate player. You can win a game with 1 IC against noobs, not good allied, and you play ffg's then think you are special. Never have you owned my yuri, sov, or allied if you have you'd be rank 1 at least once moron.

I have seen your pattern of posts and constantly you have verbally harassed others on this forum and in game in attempt to make people angry. You were never good, but instead have shown yourself as a negative, hateful person creating negative karma for yourself over the internet. You are the scumbag around here.

I have NEVER got my wins from abusing glitches or cheats, and if you think you are any good you will play me in a series of 1v1s and get a comprehensive demonstration of how bad you really are 'chopperman'.

Edited by AaSoVGoD, 19 December 2010 - 02:38 PM.

[DrVanNostrand]

chopperman is obviously full of **** but so is sunny, i can remember u minerglitching me everygame, some call that bug abusing some call that cheating "NEVER"

[AaSoVGoD]

'DrVanNostrand', on 19 Dec 2010 - 15:57, said:

chopperman is obviously full of **** but so is sunny, i can remember u minerglitching me everygame, some call that bug abusing some call that cheating "NEVER"

Back to the same story Lol I didn't miner glitch you everygame and you know it. I won without miner glitching you at all.

[chopperman]

'AaSoVGoD', on 19 Dec 2010 - 15:59, said:

Back to the same story Lol I didn't miner glitch you everygame and you know it. I won without miner glitching you at all.

im not full of it.. i am the best sov player.. oh and sunny i own u everytime we played... your yuri is pathetic, dave is a noob too but he is waayyyyyyy better than you... waaayyy better at least he made me tech lol

[AaSoVGoD]

if thats true than michael jackson must of came back from the dead

[DylHole]

'chopperman', on 20 Dec 2010 - 01:23, said:

im not full of it.. i am the best sov player.. oh and sunny i own u everytime we played... your yuri is pathetic, dave is a noob too but he is waayyyyyyy better than you... waaayyy better at least he made me tech lol

have you ever played anyone but adamvo?