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[Phoenix123]

Okay, ive been doing a lot of thinking about this based on the new maps primarily.

When is it appropriate to go 1 or 2 miners?

I have experimented with going 2 on large maps that have 1 derrick. Simply put i feel I was to far behind trying to get an eco advantage going against a sov player who came at me with his first tank after going one. (Poltergiest)

Now lets look at map without derricks. (Snow Valley)

This to me seems like a smaller map. But I feel more safe going 2 miners or doing some sort of push (selling mcv)

Now lets look at a map (south pacific)

I feel like going 1 harv is almost suicide (Maybe cause im allied)

but going straight tanks into early air with the gems and 2 derricks can easily still go into a later game.

Thoughts?

Edited by Phoenix123, 17 June 2012 - 08:11 PM.

[Faze]

Now lets look at a map (south pacific)

I feel like going 1 harv is almost suicide (Maybe cause im allied)

I'm a 100% allied player and I always go 1 miner on this map, but before I build 2nd ref, I go air for pressure/defend with rocketeers. This helps balancing (if your miner control is good) eco and stop a rhino rush in most situations. So if you are good with pills and multitasking, go 1 miner here.

Edited by Faze, 17 June 2012 - 08:42 PM.

[Phoenix123]

I'm a 100% allied player and I always go 1 miner on this map, but before I build 2nd ref, I go air for pressure/defend with rocketeers. This helps balancing (if your miner control is good) eco and stop a rhino rush in most situations. So if you are good with pills and multitasking, go 1 miner here.

i go allies exclusivly myself.

I dont feel like 1 miner on sp is worth it. Just at the rate of money collection it seems any type of early push would thwart that ez

[Seke]

1 miner on all those maps except south pacific (2 is possible if sov guy goes 1 miner and u wanna be on defensive)

going 1 miner on sp is a waste cause you don't even need it and it hurts u a lot, i go 1 miner on sp if its a v a cause then i just go like 23409823409823 rockies

[Faze]

Well, it has worked for me vs plenty of sovs.

[DryFeet]

Building 1 more than your opponent (up to 3) is a good rule of thumb. But there are a few maps (e.g sp, tourny A) where 0 miner against sov is best.

[marsh1]

1 miner on all those maps except south pacific (2 is possible if sov guy goes 1 miner and u wanna be on defensive)

going 1 miner on sp is a waste cause you don't even need it and it hurts u a lot, i go 1 miner on sp if its a v a cause then i just go like 23409823409823 rockies

+1 i usually deicide by the time i place my ore what i want to try to do, so i go based on that, with my certain builds i have certain reasons i go as many miners as i do

i like going 1 on poltri cuz the eco is steady enough that 2 isn't really needed if you keep moving the mcv quickly, then the ore puri seals the deal.

as mason said 1 on sp sva is dumb, you never need it because double oil, extra para drop, and the 2 gem patches

sv is a map i like to see what the sov is doing, if he goes 1 i go 2, if he goes 2 i go 2 with some press. if he goes 0 i will go 1 then an early afc before my 3rd ore.

[DrVanNostrand]

every game u should go same or more miners than ur opponent, UNLESS u are planning to pressure, vs good players its next to impossible to pressure in maps where are only 1 place u can pressure , but in maps like south pacific there is 3 places u can pressure, so its alot more likely u can do some economic damage than in maps like country swing.

but pressure only works if u are fast urself and keep building as fast as possible.

and never sell mcv unless u have to, because after u do that u will always be behind and most likely lose to a better or equal skilled opponent

[AlliedBawsss]

Every game i try go 1 miner more than opponent - maxing at 3 miiners usually (as an allied player) there are no maps i hbe found that this doesnt work to ur advantage if ur good at defending a 0miner rush.(miner ctrl, pills,camp)

Snow i usually go 3 miners

Sp i have always gone 1 anf built towards mid so i hve more money, an stop pressure points as markp pointed out, easier to defend one point than 3!

Offic b i go 1

Off a i go 1

Urban 1

Polt usually 1 or 2 depending on their build

Yinyang 1 or 2 again dependant on their build

Heart 2 or 3 usually

Heck i go 3 alot - by time his tanks get to me - i can counter them easily with same amount and roki / pills

[Seke]

yeah, both of what bootylover and marko said is right

But, i still think if you're allied vs soviet on SP its better to jus go 0 and if they get 1, get 1 yourself, so i jus click to make 2 grizz and watch their wf, if i see a tank come out when my 1st comes out, i jus spam click to make more grizz, all the way up to 20-30 queue on sp cuz if u forget its really bad, and if i see them get a miner i jus get one after my 2nd tank and send my 2 tanks to harrass.

Also, if you do think you are going to get a miner as allied on SP i wouldnt recommend doing it as top right position

[AlliedBawsss]

yeah, both of what bootylover and marko said is right

But, i still think if you're allied vs soviet on SP its better to jus go 0 and if they get 1, get 1 yourself, so i jus click to make 2 grizz and watch their wf, if i see a tank come out when my 1st comes out, i jus spam click to make more grizz, all the way up to 20-30 queue on sp cuz if u forget its really bad, and if i see them get a miner i jus get one after my 2nd tank and send my 2 tanks to harr****.

Also, if you do think you are going to get a miner as allied on SP i wouldnt recommend doing it as top right position

i do this sometimes too on CS and SP and on tr it always depends of oppoent on SP for me too

[Niek]

What i like is 0 harvester vs 3 harvester