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[AwaZ]

IP banning is impossible? Also, your argument is weak considering the alternative has no way of even deterring the proven offender. It doesn't take "2 seconds", but yes it is fairly easy, but as Grant has told me it's a lot quicker/easier to ban someone. We all want activity and the only way to achieve more activity is to make it free ware, and then take it from there with advertisement, etc. Not to mention dodging a serial ban is simple and well-known around the community. It's the IP that gets them in the end. If they do get around the IP ban I'm sure if the community came forward against an individual that could be considered proof, and the offender could be banned accordingly.

I don't know how the bans are done or whether it's easy or not, but proving cheaters is very time consuming. I know for sure I'm not going to waste my time on reports if the offender can get back online with a few simple steps, and I'd guess most of the current moderators feel the same.

[DylHole]

I don't know how the bans are done or whether it's easy or not, but proving cheaters is very time consuming. I know for sure I'm not going to waste my time on reports if the offender can get back online with a few simple steps, and I'd guess most of the current moderators feel the same.

That's my point, they already can.

[BeHumble]

We're just trying to help,
saying that we have no clue what we're talking about isn't really 'trying to say this as nice as possible' imo.
btw, i have a feeling that you aren't exactly a pc networking specialist yourselve..

Oh trust me im not, I was referring to dylan, Yeah I understand you're trying to help, lets work with the admins not against ? Saying their posts are flawed ? LOL come on.. Most of this stuff is easier said than done.

I don't know how the bans are done or whether it's easy or not, but proving cheaters is very time consuming. I know for sure I'm not going to waste my time on reports if the offender can get back online with a few simple steps, and I'd guess most of the current moderators feel the same.

Why don't you hire someone else who is willing to?

Hitler was once in charge.

that's just wrong

Edited by MyAlliesRock, 29 June 2011 - 02:11 PM.

[thomas338]

Why don't you hire someone else who is willing to?

I'll do it for 10$ an hour

[AwaZ]

That's my point, they already can.

It's not as easy now.

Why don't you hire someone else who is willing to?

And who will be paying for this?

[DylHole]

that's just wrong

Yes, and God is in charge.
Is that wrong?
Perspectives change, if you followed Hitler you would have considered him as a great man. Just as you do with God.

It's not as easy now.

Are you assuming this? If there is a will, there is a way. If XWIS takes on what Thomas said, would it not be even more efficient than now? The game could become a lot more active and cheat free and isn't this what is desired? Or is it the fact that with free ware there will be no income?

And who will be paying for this?

Is it hard to ask for volunteers? If there is people still playing a 11 year old game, I'm sure they love it and would be happy to volunteer, honoured even.

I guess it will come down to either Olaf or EA and if that is the case, this idea will probably completely forgotten and the game will continue dying off.

[BeHumble]

Yes, and God is in charge.
Is that wrong?
Perspectives change, if you followed Hitler you would have considered him as a great man. Just as you do with God.

Are you assuming this? If there is a will, there is a way. If XWIS takes on what Thomas said, would it not be even more efficient than now? The game could become a lot more active and cheat free and isn't this what is desired? Or is it the fact that with free ware there will be no income?

Is it hard to ask for volunteers? If there is people still playing a 11 year old game, I'm sure they love it and would be happy to volunteer, honoured even.

I guess it will come down to either Olaf or EA and if that is the case, this idea will probably completely forgotten and the game will continue dying off.

Ok whatever you say, I forgot you're a 15 year old boy who knows everything sorry I even posted here. I cant match your superior intellect, and way with words. Why don't you play the game instead of coming here and coming up with the first thing that comes off the top of your head. Haha the thing about Hitler was funny, Yeah im gonna follow a man who killed millions of jews, along with gypsies and other races for rash reasons. Only you buddy Yeah you and Thomas got it on lock down man, why dont we just turn every thing over to you and him ! Oh and thomas, you're here coming up with ideas as well and yet you'll charge $10 an hour to help out?...Good luck posting and getting no further than you were before.

Edited by MyAlliesRock, 29 June 2011 - 02:56 PM.

[NeoGrant]

That's my point, they already can.

With spending money on a game.. as opposed to just creating another free account.

Edited by neogrant, 29 June 2011 - 02:49 PM.

[DylHole]

With spending money on a game.. as opposed to just creating another free account.

So are you in for the money or is there another reason? Love of the game perhaps.
If you gave every one a clean slate, a chance to play the game. You could then attain their information. Now any new accounts that appear after the first two weeks (just an example number), you could moderate and check before allowing access to the server (control panel).

It almost seems as if you are fighting against me when I'm trying to increase activity and effectiveness for the gaming community. With one cost of course - income. Is that really the soft spot with you guys?

[NeoGrant]

So are you in for the money or is there another reason? Love of the game perhaps.
If you gave every one a clean slate, a chance to play the game. You could then attain their information. Now any new accounts that appear after the first two weeks (just an example number), you could moderate and check before allowing access to the server (control panel).

It almost seems as if you are fighting against me when I'm trying to increase activity and effectiveness for the gaming community. With one cost of course - income. Is that really the soft spot with you guys?

You missed the point.
Free account to play = easy, repeats over and over.

Where as..

An account that is bought, i.e game/serial = not so easy/hassle.

[Olaf]

So are you in for the money or is there another reason? Love of the game perhaps.

The money acts as a barrier to just creating a new account.

If you gave every one a clean slate, a chance to play the game.

When did this become about giving clean slates?

[DylHole]

I may have not addressed your point in that post, because I've already addressed it in previous ones.

How about you make people install some tool that gathers their mac adress to log in on xwis. You ban them based on that + ip + nicknames.
If they don't know the mac is one of the criterea few would get around this right?

Grant, is this not more efficient than what we have now?

The money acts as a barrier to just creating a new account.

This ruins the idea of having free ware now doesn't it. That's why I suggested moderating all new accounts.

When did this become about giving clean slates?

With my way there would be no permanent bans but an unlimited number of 32 day bans. Giving a clean slate at the start seems reasonable, as a lot of people are willing to welcome them back to the game and if Ra2 does become free ware, letting banned players return only seems logical.

[geminorum]

no offense, but why do you even post in this topic, without thinking before.

you realise EA kinda gave up the old CNC games ages ago, thats why xcl/xwis started to exist to actually give the people a ladder and anti-cheat system with chatrooms.

im not even sure if olaf has permission to make the game "free" for xwis, if its a decision that has to be made by EA, then you can go sleep and dream about it.

and even if olaf had the permission to make it free, lets say the activity will grow, and i can guarantee you 1 thing, all the people, like: sixshot, mikey, alex, etc.. will be playing again, just that fact makes me want to puke.

also, will there be a supported ladder and cheat forums when its for free (which means more players/cheaters/reports), who the **** would support a 10-year old game for free?

ive no idea what agreements xwis has with EA, so i cant tell further. but as awaz mentioned, if you make xwis for free, youll simply have a second QQ server with 0 support, unless you find people doing all the stuff for free on an uncontrolled/free game

[DylHole]

no offense, but why do you even post in this topic, without thinking before.

you realise EA kinda gave up the old CNC games ages ago, thats why xcl/xwis started to exist to actually give the people a ladder and anti-cheat system with chatrooms.

im not even sure if olaf has permission to make the game "free" for xwis, if its a decision that has to be made by EA, then you can go sleep and dream about it.

and even if olaf had the permission to make it free, lets say the activity will grow, and i can guarantee you 1 thing, all the people, like: sixshot, mikey, alex, etc.. will be playing again, just that fact makes me want to puke.

also, will there be a supported ladder and cheat forums when its for free (which means more players/cheaters/reports), who the **** would support a 10-year old game for free?

ive no idea what agreements xwis has with EA, so i cant tell further. but as awaz mentioned, if you make xwis for free, youll simply have a second QQ server with 0 support, unless you find people doing all the stuff for free on an uncontrolled/free game

New admins? sounds good to me

[geminorum]

new admins? who says olaf will let someone take over his server for free?

or are you an experienced programmer or know one who will actually run a ladder with anti-cheat system for free? i highly doubt it.

[EricLearnsRa2]

Maphack isn't the only cheat.

No serial / freeware = no banning of cheaters, no banning results in an unfair ladder and without a fair ladder QMing competitively is useless. If you want this then there is already a Chinese server, which will probably have more activity than XWIS even if it was freeware.

So xwis would rather close than allow a few cheaters here?

The methods being used now to prevent cheating is not good, which are causing XWIS to die.5 eru can stop them cheating? i dont think so. In fact we amplify the cheater quantity in xwis, and the influence they would do to the server. Only a few players cheat actually, which cant affect xwis running. But just a little more work to do, that is to keep banning them.

Maybe many ppl think there are many cheaters in QQ battle because qq cant ban the cheaters.I can tell you the truth that it is not more than 1%。If some1 cheating to you, you can feel that. I have played 6 years in cngame, HF battle, and QQ battle, and I cant feel most of them cheating to me. Mose of us have a sense that cheating is a shame。

Before cngame there is a server name Youxia in china, which was similar as wol, and can ladder, was free, and cant stop cheaters, but it ran very well till the sever were cautht off.

Dont let the scare to cheater kill xwis!they are much fewer than you think

Edited by EricLearnsRa2, 29 June 2011 - 04:20 PM.

[DylHole]

new admins? who says olaf will let someone take over his server for free?

or are you an experienced programmer or know one who will actually run a ladder with anti-cheat system for free? i highly doubt it.

So if it becomes free ware all the admins leave? Great community support! Yes, I know people who would run the ladder for free. As I said people would be more than happy to have some type of power over the game.

[geminorum]

eric, you missed the point that xwis is meant to be a free cheat server with supported systems like ladders, which means the amount of cheaters doesnt matter, even 1 cheater is enough and ruins fun/favor for others.

compare it with real life, would you or the police ever say, oh it doesnt really matter, there are only few people who kill others, there arent as much as you think, dont do anything about it.

we both know thats ****, only 1 murderder is more than enough, since he can kill alot of people. i hope you get my point.

i know xwis is dying, you dont have to bring up that argument again, but if you make xwis for free, there is no more supported ra2/yr servers around and just another QQ server would exist which makes no difference at all.

[Olaf]

This ruins the idea of having free ware now doesn't it. That's why I suggested moderating all new accounts.

Freeware isn't a goal. And we've discussed account moderation before. Use the search!

With my way there would be no permanent bans but an unlimited number of 32 day bans. Giving a clean slate at the start seems reasonable, as a lot of people are willing to welcome them back to the game and if Ra2 does become free ware, letting banned players return only seems logical.

Doesn't sound logical to me.

So xwis would rather close than allow a few cheaters here?

Yes

[geminorum]

So if it becomes free ware all the admins leave? Great community support! Yes, I know people who would run the ladder for free. As I said people would be more than happy to have some type of power over the game.

i hope for you, you're joking, since you make no sense or which is more likely, you've 0 clue how a server/and systems like ladder, anticheat works.

ive nicely explained you in my past post directed to you why it is kinda impossible. maybe re-read it again, if you dont understand it, ask a friend or internet m8 to explain it to you step by step.

[EricLearnsRa2]

no offense, but why do you even post in this topic, without thinking before.

you realise EA kinda gave up the old CNC games ages ago, thats why xcl/xwis started to exist to actually give the people a ladder and anti-cheat system with chatrooms.

im not even sure if olaf has permission to make the game "free" for xwis, if its a decision that has to be made by EA, then you can go sleep and dream about it.

and even if olaf had the permission to make it free, lets say the activity will grow, and i can guarantee you 1 thing, all the people, like: sixshot, mikey, alex, etc.. will be playing again, just that fact makes me want to puke.

also, will there be a supported ladder and cheat forums when its for free (which means more players/cheaters/reports), who the **** would support a 10-year old game for free?

ive no idea what agreements xwis has with EA, so i cant tell further. but as awaz mentioned, if you make xwis for free, youll simply have a second QQ server with 0 support, unless you find people doing all the stuff for free on an uncontrolled/free game

the serails cant make money for xwis now.

maybe xwis can try for free for 3 monthes.

[Olaf]

maybe xwis can try for free for 3 monthes.

Maybe not, like I've told you before. Why are you bringing this up time and time again?

[EricLearnsRa2]

games with a few cheatings are much better than no game to play

[DylHole]

Freeware isn't a goal. And we've discussed account moderation before. Use the search!

I don't believe we have. Can you please show me where?

Doesn't sound logical to me.

What does sound logical to you? Why don't you come forward with a suggestion that can create more activity?

Yes

Then close the server down now. Have you not seen Yuri cheat report section? The game is riddles with cheaters. Disconnection abusers, mappers with reshroud, you are delusional to think there is none here.

[geminorum]

sigh, people are so ignorant these days, i dont know why others and i even bother explaining, since they simply ignore and just repost their nonsense part. maybe close, your decision olaf..