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[DiON]

Hey all, so I'm still trying to figure out how to use each version of tanks to the best of their ability. I know that the Rhino is a power house, but I've won tank battles, say 12 grizzlys vs 10 rhinos on multiple occassions. So let's quickly add input on what we know about each individual tank

This is what I know:

Grizzly:
-Fast, Faster than rhino tanks.
-Turrets, move faster around than the Rhino tanks.
- Weaker damage than the rhino tanks.
- Weaker defense than the Rhino tanks.

Rhino:
- Very slow turret.
- Very slow speed
- Strong armor.
- Strong attack.


How do we use each tank best in battles against the other? I've always found that if you try to get it to where you're moving the Rhino turrets around in a circle than it leaves you at a better advantage. I've seen some people go back and forth between the Rhinos, but I thought this was bad because you want to keep your tanks in a tight group.

Can people give their advice on how to control your tanks best against Rhinos.

Thanks!

[killjake2]

Rhino has longer range! To run from rhinos means gg usually cuz if they follow you they keep getting shots on you while u cant shoot back as much due to the shorter ranged grizz.

[DylHole]

well 2 rhino > 3 grizz

[t3h J3w]

well 2 rhino > 3 grizz

not with a pill box in the way. Gd allies always have em ready. Even Andy says that

[DiON]

In a tank fight, probably best to place the pill box behind the rhinos while attacking huh?

[DylHole]

In a tank fight, probably best to place the pill box behind the rhinos while attacking huh?

If they have any tc whatsover.. no

[fir3w0rx]

-Turrets, move faster around than the Rhino tanks.

The ROT (Rate of Turn) = 5 for both Grizzlies & Rhinos. Which means that their turrets are the same speed. You can see this using an INI editor or jst simply experiment in skirmish mode.

Also:
-Grizzlies build quicker than Rhinos
-Grizzlies shoot faster than Rhinos

The following pages may help:
Mikey - Tank Control
lhatekids - Tank Control
Guest_PreP n LuTheR_* - TC trainign

I've won tank battles, say 12 grizzlys vs 10 rhinos on multiple occassions.

If you can do this against top ranked players near the end of each month then u don't need advice on Grizzlies vs Rhinos!

Edited by Fireworks, 06 August 2010 - 10:10 AM.

[DylHole]

pretty sure turrets move faster on griz

[FReQuEnZy]

pretty sure turrets move faster on griz

Yes it does.

The grizzly tank has a higher rate of turn and that also affects the turret.

1 Rhino = 1.5 Grizzly

[fir3w0rx]

Yes it does.
The grizzly tank has a higher rate of turn and that also affects the turret.

I'm jst going by the original RA2 'rules.ini' which can be downloaded from here (click 'Red Alert 2 INI files').
U can then open the RA2 'rules.ini' file & look at the ROT for both grizzlies & rhinos. I'm aware that things have been changed since version 1.000 to 1.006, but I'm sure this part wouldn't have been.

EDIT: I've jst checked my RA2 'rules.ini' that I use online (which btw won't work unless it's the same as every1 else's) & ROT is still 5 for both tanx.

Edited by Fireworks, 06 August 2010 - 12:53 PM.

[FReQuEnZy]

I'm jst going by the original RA2 'rules.ini' which can be downloaded from here (click 'Red Alert 2 INI files').
U can then open the RA2 'rules.ini' file & look at the ROT for both grizzlies & rhinos. I'm aware that things have been changed since version 1.000 to 1.006, but I'm sure this part wouldn't have been.

EDIT: I've jst checked my RA2 'rules.ini' that I use online (which btw won't work unless it's the same as every1 else's) & ROT is still 5 for both tanx.

Hmm so it is.

[fir3w0rx]

Oh & there's Pizzaguru's page as well that u can get good tips from.

[Seke]

tons of fodder with ur grizz if ur allied, and if ur going to enter a battle vs rhino with grizz then u need to surround the rhinos and be very close

[truefeel]

You can ignore the speed of the tanks. It never has been a relevant factor.

[noobLit]

You can ignore the speed of the tanks. It never has been a relevant factor.

I'm hoping your joking??????

[afeenaaa]

I'm hoping your joking??????

No, he isn't. The speed difference isn't of relevance in tank fights unlike base trades. Much more does it affect a player synchronizing dogs with tanks which slightly differs between the two.

And that grizzlies shoot faster than rhinos is also a rumor. In the time a grizzly shots 12 times a rhino will have shot 13 times.

Yes, the rhino is the better tank. But overall you don't get that much less with 9 grizzlies compared to 7 rhinos. Both cost the same, try lining them up in different positions with a partner and then break the alliance, the rhinos will win - but not by much. Don't forget all the goodies the allies have that the soviets don't.

It's experience, some maths and how you can put it into practice.

[afeenaaa]

And that grizzlies shoot faster than rhinos is also a rumor. In the time a grizzly shots 12 times a rhino will have shot 13 times.

I stand corrected - it's 13 for grizzly and 12 for rhino which is not exactly alot.

[killjake2]

No, he isn't. The speed difference isn't of relevance in tank fights unlike base trades. Much more does it affect a player synchronizing dogs with tanks which slightly differs between the two.

And that grizzlies shoot faster than rhinos is also a rumor. In the time a grizzly shots 12 times a rhino will have shot 13 times.

Yes, the rhino is the better tank. But overall you don't get that much less with 9 grizzlies compared to 7 rhinos. Both cost the same, try lining them up in different positions with a partner and then break the alliance, the rhinos will win - but not by much. Don't forget all the goodies the allies have that the soviets don't.

It's experience, some maths and how you can put it into practice.

against good players you do not have time to line your tanks up and do the maths..

[Seke]

imo allied practically equals soviet.. the only difference is allied is harder to play

[truefeel]

I'm hoping your joking??????

How so? The only thing it matters for Allieds is that they can run away faster, but you are not going to outmaneuvre a soviet player with just a bit more speed. It will not be significant enough for splitters or hit 'n run.

against good players you do not have time to line your tanks up and do the maths..

No but it is a honest test which basicilly nullifies tank control and skill, allowing to properly measure how strong/weak a grizzly tank is against a rhino tank cost-effective wise, which give you insights how the odds will be if you go into a tankclash with a soviet player. You can use math in a normal match, just be sure you have that kind of math "naturalized" so that you actually don't have to think about it or atleast not much.

I also think the creator of the topic forgot one, maybe very important, advantage for the soviet player: you need less units then allieds for the same firepower and strength. That is actually crucial, b/c next to that you need less tank control (smaller number of units are easier to control) is the following: let's assume for a moment that 1 rhino tank equals completely concerning strength and firepower 2 grizzly tanks. Sounds fair right? not really. While 2 grizzlies would mathematically equal the one rhino, there's one important difference: when one grizzly tank is destroyed, the firepower of the grizzly tanks are cut by half, while the rhino with half of its full strength still has the same full firepower. the remaining grizzly would keep firing, removing another 25% of the rhino's original strength, before it gets destroyed. Result: you still have a rhino left with 25% of its strength remaining, while the grizzlies are gone. So in short: fewer numbers for the same firepower and strength is always better.

Edited by truefeel, 07 August 2010 - 04:10 PM.

[Seke]

im telling you guys... grizz and rhino isnt the big deal... its the fact deso is just kinda ridiculous vs allied tanks, although deso is needed vs mirage...

[truefeel]

im telling you guys... grizz and rhino isnt the big deal... its the fact deso is just kinda ridiculous vs allied tanks, although deso is needed vs mirage...

Let's just take the ceteris paribus rule into account for a moment.

[FReQuEnZy]

Let's just take the ceteris paribus rule into account for a moment.

..... You do realise no one but your self and a few rare people will be able understand your blabber.

[truefeel]

..... You do realise no one but your self and a few rare people will be able understand your blabber.

1. If you don't understand what Ceteris Paribus means, then for god sake look it up. Google exists for a reason. Hint: not to find porn only.
2. If you still don't know then what I am talking about, then I can't help you. All I was saying is that we should keep other factors out of this, like desolators, b/c the topic is clearly about rhinoes and grizzlies.
3. Anyone with a decent education would ATLEAST found the saying ceteris paribus sound familiar. It's not like I am using some sort of high-elite social talk.

Try to do the effort outlined in point 1. next time, instead talking it down to "blabber".

Edited by truefeel, 09 August 2010 - 09:40 PM.

[Seke]

1. If you don't understand what Ceteris Paribus means, then for god sake look it up. Google exists for a reason. Hint: not to find porn only.
2. If you still don't know then what I am talking about, then I can't help you. All I was saying is that we should keep other factors out of this, like desolators, b/c the topic is clearly about rhinoes and grizzlies.
3. Anyone with a decent education would ATLEAST found the saying ceteris paribus sound familiar. It's not like I am using some sort of high-elite social talk.

Try to do the effort outlined in point 1. next time, instead talking it down to "blabber".

get a life dude...